Re: [-empyre-] Forward from Chad at selectparks.net

[Alan Sondheim <sondheim@panix.com>]

Well, yes, from a Lacanian viewpoint, definitely. But the real in this
sense is also a construct, mediation - it's also symbolic. It's a closed
circuit.

Instead I'd argue about the in-itself - that in vr as in real life, there
are always imagined viewpoints which are unrealized, interiorities which
are never given as surface (since then they lose their status), etc.

I also tend to follow a scientific epistmology - virtual particles, for
example, are as real as 'real' particles. There's a lot of this in
particle theory -

Alan


On Wed, 8 Oct 2003, saul ostrow wrote:

> we should not confuse the real all phenomena perceived or not with the
> actual -- that which we are  or become aware of experiencing -- the real
> is everything that is not symbolic or imagined  -- it is with out order
> or sense/ logic -- gaming is an exploration of the relationship between
> the imagined/symbolic  and  experience  -- that is that which is used to
> order reality/ subjectivity  -- as such we are talking about the virtual
>  of life --  versus the constructed representation of that which we may
> imagine and attempt to render naturalistic
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